Curse

Gaile Gray · Feb 06, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

I know of no such changes. The Update Notes reflect no such changes. Please don't mistake a run of bad luck or a mistake in perception of yet another "hidden nerf."

We have Update Notes. Why would we even offer Update Notes if we didn't intend them to be as complete as we can make them? I mean, if we were intent on doing super secret nerfages and if we wanted to punish a certain player group (and why would we want to do that?) then we'd just make changes, willy nilly, and never report anything.

Some of the changes to the ability to solo farm were a result of (1) professional farmers and bots and (2) the fact that it was not intended that solo farming be incredibly easy. I mean, we have to adjust the game to fit the vision of what it should be, and to contain the balance that it needs.

The Update Notes are a good-faith effort for us to keep you informed. They may not be completely without error or omission, but we really do try to keep the as accurate and complete as possible, and we beg your forgiveness for any errors or omissions that we make. If you have hard data, I will be happy to pass it along to the programmers, but I'd need a lot of exact details in order to outline the perceived problem to them. I really do not think there is an error or omission in this case.

neoteo · Feb 06, 2006, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Splatter Mcnasty

ANet has made yet another stupid solo nerf!

I enjoy solo hunting Avicara in Mineral Springs. This morning when I zoned into the area, I noticed a file download. I didnt think anything of it because I hadnt been into Mineral Springs for a few weeks...until Avicara actually started dying.

I use Shield of Judgement as part of my skill setup. Whenever a monster would die from my SoJ, I would not get ANY xp gain and no loot drop at all, and they were always in my radar bubble, so I know it wasnt a range factor.

I killed several mobs and it was always the same thing...they killed themselves on my SoJ, but I got no drops or XP. It happened with the Avicara Braves as well as the Fierce.

So I started doing some testing and it turns out that you now have to tag everything with your weapon/skill/spell in order to get any benefit from killing it. So to beat this particular nerf, I went around and hit each Avicara in the mob once before activating Shield of Judgement...Immediately I was getting XP and loot drops again.

What a pain in the ass. Thanks Anet, for making more ridiculous changes.

farmers need to get a real job , i mean CORGP cooperative bla bla game , and you complain that you cant loot XXX gold per minute alone anymore .. i say NERF all farmers. play the game and stop complaining. I wouldnt be surpirze if you sell gold on ebay and still come here complain about a nerf.

respect the programers work for a change.

Bak Chi Jai · Feb 06, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

I like when go "moo"

fenix · Feb 06, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Farming is cheating the game, I don't really care when it gets nerfed, as long as it doesnt affect other areas of the game. If there was a nerf that changed the way I play normally, or affected PvP heaps...then it'd be a different story.

Criminally Sane · Feb 06, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by neoteo

farmers need to get a real job , i mean CORGP cooperative bla bla game , and you complain that you cant loot XXX gold per minute alone anymore .. i say NERF all farmers. play the game and stop complaining. I wouldnt be surpirze if you sell gold on ebay and still come here complain about a nerf.

respect the programers work for a change.

...Wait wait wait. What? Farming and running are about the only ways left to make money in GW. Say you're going for FoW armor, what're you going to do, go through the missions and pray for good drops, so that you can buy the mats? No, you're going to farm ectos and shards yourself. "Play the game" ... Didn't realize I stopped playing GW when I changed my build and killed the monsters in one area repeatedly. o.o

And who says their work isn't respected? Yeah, there's a lot of "wtf nerf plx" "why the nerf" threads, but that's just someone's opinion on something that should/should not be changed, not disrespect.

neoteo · Feb 06, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Criminally Sane

...Wait wait wait. What? Farming and running are about the only ways left to make money in GW. Say you're going for FoW armor, what're you going to do, go through the missions and pray for good drops, so that you can buy the mats? No, you're going to farm ectos and shards yourself. "Play the game" ... Didn't realize I stopped playing GW when I changed my build and killed the monsters in one area repeatedly. o.o

And who says their work isn't respected? Yeah, there's a lot of "wtf nerf plx" "why the nerf" threads, but that's just someone's opinion on something that should/should not be changed, not disrespect.

ahhh , it worked , i said those things cose a obvius flame war would start , so this thread might be closed real soon , yay

yes i dont agree with solo farming even if it is for fissure armor.

if it is for fissure armor and anet nerfs a certain form of farming becose of bots that sell gold on ebay , then you should not complain , bocose its a game , its made to have fun . its not that big problem if you take 3 more months to get that fissure sandals for your monk , if its just to go to grotto show off ... not something you cry about.

Sai of Winter · Feb 06, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

I agree with Sane. If you want to get new armor/items for yourself, you will end up farming to save up for them. It will take a long time to save up money if you're going to do missions/quests (some quests) repeatedly. Unless, you get a lucky rare drop within those missions/quests and sell it for a lot of platinum. I farm in the game only when I'm bored, need new items, or saving up for new armor. Also, like I've always said, it's just a game. Let the mass of individual players out there play the game how they want to if they enjoy it.

I know that some people out there complain about farming nerfs. I remember the whole AoE nerf chaos and everyone was enraged by it, but it didn't bother me. I adapt and thought of builds that would work, it was fun!

I think Anet make changes just to make us think of new builds and be creative. I say, don't complain about nerfs, adapt and invent new builds, its fun to do.

wiz12268 · Feb 06, 2006, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Sort of counter productive if you ask me. If guys aren't farming and they aren't PnPing then they are nt playing.

It gets boring after awhile doing the same old thing over and over again (even farming). So them (ANET) dissuading farmers is basically dissuading them from playing altogether.

I played a total of 1 hour the last 4-5 weks. I did a hydra run the other day after not playing for a month and I didn't get a single gold drop. I think I only got 3 purples (hi req) and I killed all the hydras and griffons. Then I switched toons and did a chest run in Sorrows I got 4 hi req purples and a single gold bow from the chests and nothing but white stuff from the monsters. Not even a blue, andmost of the white stuff wasn't even max damage.

Basically it is sit around and wait for the next chapter to come out and see what hapens.

It is sort of funny why they try and stop people from farming. Basically it is to keep the economy level I guess. But the irony is they claim there is no "in game" economy.

It is still a agme after all, as long as you aquire items playing the game, it shouldn't matter HOW the game is played. Their main concern should be t keep people playing the game. Constantly changing rules or spells, "nerfing" if you will is the quickest way to get people to stop playing. But there are enough newbies buying the game to keep the numbers up, and introducing it t the other countries I am sure has helped, but I know I boght the game pre order, and when I opened my friends list (about 40 names) there wasn't a single player online, all of which had the game from the beginning as well.

Basically a recycling of players. I am sure the older players will be back with the new chapter, but until then it will be the johnny come latelies and people who can't commit hours a day playing the game.

neoteo · Feb 06, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

im playing since 10 of may , not bored at all , everyday is a new day , some good some bad ..

i didnt mean to say , farming is not playing the game , what i mean is , if anet have to change stuff to protect from farm bots, that make farming harder for the casual farmer , then you should not complain .

becose being a game , if its harder , to me , means more fun ... and dont tell me you need fissure armor imidiatly , cose we know stats are the same ... the looks is for grotto fashion passerele ... i go there my selfe with my 15 k armors

icemonkey · Feb 06, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

If they wanted to nerf bots but not farming in general all they have to do is change the way regen spells work

instead of giving pip's of health as regen the skill would regen a percentage of max health.

see the 55 build is a game of percentages, mending is pretty tame when you have 500 health, but at 55 health and onyl taking 5 damage per hit, mending can keep you alive through a lot, add on breeze and you are invincible.

You can use the percentage against them, if mending game you 2% of max health regen'd per second, that is pretty much what it is worht for a 500 hp character, then the 55 monk would gain 1 health from mending per second, and thats not enough.

with this you could eliminate bots and most, if not all, solo builds because all solo builds rely extremely heavily on their regen skills being so powerful at low health.

neoteo · Feb 06, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by icemonkey

If they wanted to nerf bots but not farming in general all they have to do is change the way regen spells work

instead of giving pip's of health as regen the skill would regen a percentage of max health.

see the 55 build is a game of percentages, mending is pretty tame when you have 500 health, but at 55 health and onyl taking 5 damage per hit, mending can keep you alive through a lot, add on breeze and you are invincible.

You can use the percentage against them, if mending game you 2% of max health regen'd per second, that is pretty much what it is worht for a 500 hp character, then the 55 monk would gain 1 health from mending per second, and thats not enough.

with this you could eliminate bots and most, if not all, solo builds because all solo builds rely extremely heavily on their regen skills being so powerful at low health.

if they do that , i can predict riots in front of anet office.

imo solo builds dont need to be completely nerfed to make it impossible. just make it harder and harder with small nerfings ... like this solo farmers have to evolve also .. all good

MinaDrakul · Feb 06, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Ummm, guys? Humor the newbie, but why are we still debating this? Gaile just said that no such nerf had been made, thus, there is nothing left to debate, IMO. Just how I see it but I wanted to know if I'm reading things wrong.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 06, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by neoteo

farmers need to get a real job , i mean CORGP cooperative bla bla game , and you complain that you cant loot XXX gold per minute alone anymore .. i say NERF all farmers.

/signed.

It's ironic and more than a little bit sad that a game which is not about loot, has become 100% about loot. Nerf farming. Nerf it completely and utterly.

Lord Scoopula · Feb 06, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I like to farm once I get bored of running new players through the Ascalon missions for free...

Deathqueen · Feb 06, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Anet will wake up when the sales figures for Chpt 2 come in and they aren't half of what they were for chapt 1. You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Nerfing drops has led to a large exodus from the game. Even my full friends list I made within a few weeks from the start none of those players shows up anymore. Nerfing needs to stop and stop now (except for rangers and necros) (smile) There will be a super mass exodus if/when they nerf IWAY, you just can't take 1000's of players builds and fun away from them at a drop of the hat like that.

devils wraths · Feb 06, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

all you lot like the iway but i hate it because when your in hoh and your team has iway and so do theres is based on who can kill the first person first. dont u lot just hate it when you get to like the 3rd stage and you lose.

quickmonty · Feb 06, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I farm in the game. I have a real job in real life. Please, don't try to dictate to me what to do with my leisure time and how to play a game, which has many facets. I can't stand PvP, but if that's how you want to spend your game time that is fine with me. I don't expect solo farming to be easy. I like a challenge. Don't hate me because I like doing things a little different than you.

brawnylad · Feb 06, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

Wow you're an idiot. They're against solo farming end-game areas, whether it's a bot or a person. Grow up.

When Flames go bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantus · Feb 06, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

/signed.

It's ironic and more than a little bit sad that a game which is not about loot, has become 100% about loot. Nerf farming. Nerf it completely and utterly.

Well, I have played GW for more than 2,000 hours. I have solved the PvE part of the game with all six primary classes and to my awareness there isn't any quest left for me to solve either. What I'm doing now is things like this:
- got a Fissure armor for one char and working on the materials for another (that's called farming)
- trying to collect all green items in the game (that's called farming)
- trying to collect a perfect rare item of every weapon type around (that's called farming)

Without farming, I wouldn't have ANYTHING left to do in GW's PvE part (yes, I do PvP, too, but I don't want to do that all the time when I play GW). Can someone of the "NERF FARMING" faction PLEASE explain to me, why what I am doing is bad?

I am perfectly aware that no loot in GW is really better than a blank weapon of the same type - I am doing this for fun. Yes, really!

Oh, by the way, I got a job and a spouse, too - so please stop posting this RETARDED BULLSHIT that farmers need to get a life. I already have one, thank you so much.

MoNo · Feb 06, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

A -men